A new series of Dragons Den then. A kind of apology for The Apprentice having ended. The wafting hand clearing up the final aroma strains from an Alan Sugar trump. No changes to the line up this time round – it’s the same sour faces as last time sitting in a moody row on plush leather seats in a miserable loft conversion. And, of course, perma-grinning Evan Davis scuttles around downstairs like a friendly cockroach to apply soothing balm to those contestants who descend the stairs shell-shocked and pitch-beaten. Unless they’ve won – which is a rarity and depends on a Dragon’s mood. It also depends on how the result of the inevitable game of one-upmanship between the four bastards turns out.
It’s the dynamic between the Dragons that’s made this show work since the first ever episode graced our screens. Remember when that weird sideburn man who runs disgusting Japanese food-theft disaster, Yo! Sushi was in it? Thank God they got rid of that corporate hippy. And thank God they got rid of the Red Letter Day woman – purchase ledger nightmare that she turned out to be – and replaced her with the woman of all our dreams, Debbie The Bombshell Meaden.
So, to briefly analyse the interpersonal relationships between the mediators…
James Caan: The silent shit. Caan is an outcast who keeps his balls to the wall and strokes his top lip like a semaphore artist waggles his flags. His body language attempts to say ‘I’m taking this all on board’ when it actually clearly says ‘I haven’t a clue what to do as nobody likes me’. His independence means he can’t as easily arrange split ventures with other Dragons, so he’s prone to making easily usurped offers. All sympathy for the outwardly pleasant Caan drops when you realise he made all his money in the slime-soaked recruitment industry.
Duncan Bannatyne: Everyone’s favourite male Dragon. Looks like a washed up 80s crooner – is in fact the head of a fitness empire. His cute quiff, gangly legs and gruff Caledonian manner make him a lovable bastard. He has a tendency to call a spade a spade. In fact, he has more of a tendency to call a spade rubbish, before demonstrating how flimsy it is by cracking it over his knee. He pretends he gets on with Caan (he has to – he sits next to him) and has the respect of the others, but really this guy is the very definition of ‘loner’.
Deborah Meaden: How do I love ye? Let me count the ways. Meaden takes no bullshit, because she knows bullshit like the back of her bullshitting hand – and you’ve got bullshit all over you, you bullshitty bastard. Deborah is transparently in love with Theo as she’s always trying to find ways of striking a deal involving the two of them, and she visibly crumbles when he mentions ‘Missus Paphitis’ in jealous despair.
Theo Paphitis: Despite being loyal to his enormous wife (he said it, not me), Theo is battling constantly with the true love he can’t conceal for enormo-breasted Debs. Well-liked due to his being a tiny little man, Theo often plays the fool before kicking in with a hard lesson in the steely world of business. Never mess with the little man.
Peter Jones: The villain of the piece. Everyone despises Jonesy. Everyone. He’s a physical and financial giant the other Dragons simply can’t measure up against. More likely to make a big money deal on his own than with any other player – he’s occasionally up for splitting the odd deal but is more likely to go off on his own, like some demented cyborg. You mess with Jones, you mess with the force of death. N.B – Jones’s pubes are shaved into a perfect circle – click here for evidence.
A brief rundown of last night’s episode:
Hamfatter
Likeable indie lads with a generic sound got signed up by Jonesy in a three-way stand off against a Meaden/Theo vs Dunc/Cann pair of alliances. How a band can be treated as a business I don’t quite understand, but Jonesy has contacts in Sony, apparently. Don’t expect them to be number one just yet.
Travel Cushion
Nice enough idea – but you wouldn’t buy one. Labelled stupid by the Dragons who rounded on the poor sod because he worked at ASDA. Doesn’t really seem fair. We’ve all got to start somewhere. Death nell sounded when, pushed for financial reports he stated he was ‘never a fan of maths’. Derided by the Dragons for that, elevated to hero status for me.
Air Oasis Ltd
Water from air, apparently. These alchemists (and ex-hoover salesmen) claimed they could make water from the atmosphere then demonstrated their magical abilities. Unfortunately Barry their salesman was a rapid-fire arse and he sank the pitch, even before the water was declared to taste awful – with much theatrical mouth-wiping from the Dragons.
Baby Supporter
Nice couple who aimed to convert all children into couch potatoes in infancy. Didn’t get very far.
Strike Trainer
Unimpressive punchbag that counts calories burned. Shot down in flames.
Lay Line Sheet
A comical item, suited to the novelty rack in Urban Outfitters. This sheet had a territory line marked for couples arguing over bed space. I could relate to this one and might’ve made it a whimsical stocking filler. Clearly the Dragons sleep in separate beds to their partners as they weren’t buying it and made a mockery of the Morgan Spurlock fellow who was trying to flog it with his lovely wife. Weirdly, Debs gave them hell despite her involvement with You Doo doll – a similarly amusing and novelty project made by friend of WWM, Sarah Lu. ‘Let’s draw a line under this’ said Theo, in the first weak pun of the series.
Graduate Social Networking
An unprepared contestant tried to sell this idea that nobody could understand. Bannatyne unfairly dismissed it as he’s grumpy he had to pay his kids’ university fees.
Paradise Panels
Stupid, sub-kitsch panels that display exotic backdrops in your back garden. On your fence. ‘Don’t take offence (a fence)’ said Theo, doubling his crap joke quotient.
Party Organisers
If there’s an industry which is based more in nothingness, I’d be keen to hear about it. Party Organisers are usually good-looking, horribly trendy idiots. Yet these two were likable types, and James and Duncan won the battle to get involved despite another multi-Dragon stand off. I couldn’t see the attraction, but then I don’t go to the types of parties where moving trees and silver living-statues are part of the backdrop, thank Christ. Having said that, I don’t go to any parties at all as I’m a miserable turd.
And that was that. By episode three I’ll wager Theo and Meaden will be on the floor in a naked embrace, as Jonesy and Evan Davis slyly thwack their bald marmosets through pocket-lining.
Pre-order that Kleenex, boys and girls.
Tags: BBC2, Deborah Meaden, Dragon's Den, Duncan Bannatyne, Entertainment, Evan Davis, James Caan, Peter Jones, Reality TV, Sarah Lu, Television, The UK, Theo Paphitis, TV, You Doo Dolls
July 22, 2008 at 10:01 am
“Evan Davis scuttles around downstairs like a friendly cockroach to apply soothing balm to those contestants who descend the stairs shell-shocked and pitch-beaten”
Very good description and very funny summation. Looking forward to the next one.
Chalky
July 22, 2008 at 10:04 am
“Don’t take offence (a fence),” wasn’t really up to Theo’s usual standards, was it? Where were his ‘This is about as useful as a chocolate parrot in an underpant shop’ quips? His ‘Mrs. P. would be better off buying a donkey in a hurricane’ one-liners? I hope he’s not turned his back on nonsensical jokes in favour of puns, the rat-faced dwarf.
Compliments to the chef on this review.
July 22, 2008 at 10:05 am
Thanks, Chalky. Are you the Chalky who taught me sports at school? If so, a curse on your name. If not, no curse on your name.
July 22, 2008 at 10:06 am
Hamfatter!! Why the name? Listened to one of their songs on their website. Sounds like Squeeze. Derivative rather than ground breaking. No doubt the publicity of being “discovered” on “Dragons Den” will give them exposure. Article will probably appear about them in “Wonderland” another of Jones’ investments. Middle class lads with a safe image gets investment from Peter Jones. All a bit contrived and ultimately not very rock N roll in terms of the ethos of art form.
July 22, 2008 at 10:07 am
Is he THE Chalky? The fucking bastard. Still looking at little boys’ cocks in the showers, eh Chalky? You filthy fucking paedophile.*
*allegedly
July 22, 2008 at 10:08 am
Puns were always Jonesy’s specialist line, weren’t they? Theo’s trying to get in on the act. I wonder what his rotund bingo-loving wife actually looks like.
July 22, 2008 at 10:10 am
I can’t believe Wonderland’s still going. I saw it in the shop the other day and hid it behind a copy of Homes and Gardens (as I suspect not many people purchase that magazine in the council-estate zones of Hackney)
July 22, 2008 at 10:10 am
NC – he might not be THE Chalky – he might be a nice one. Like Charlie Chalk.
July 22, 2008 at 10:12 am
I imagine she’s one of those trussed-up, big-haired, orange-skinned, fur-coated harridans you often see on the arms of self-made men. A bit like David Dickinson’s lizard-skinned companion. Shit made good. Shirley – Wife of the Ball-Bearing Millionaire.
And you’re right. Theo’s muscling in on Jones’s territory. He should stick to surreal one-liners that he doesn’t realise are surreal.
July 22, 2008 at 10:15 am
Now that DD has come in to the nations psyche, any product or business they invest in will have a natural starting advantage by the exposure. That “reggae, reggae” sauce would have got nowhere without DD. Now it has become almost symbiotic as that sandwich outlet specifically advertises that sauce.
July 22, 2008 at 10:18 am
I’ve not had any of that sauce because that Levi Roots bloke struck me as a bit of a slippery customer.
July 22, 2008 at 10:19 am
I sat next to Levi Roots in a Thai restaurant above a pub the week before last. He seemed nice enough. But then, good manners can hide a multitude of sins.
July 22, 2008 at 10:22 am
I love that sauce. It’s like HP mixed with black bean.
July 22, 2008 at 10:30 am
That sounds horrible.
July 22, 2008 at 10:32 am
It’s not pushing my buttons either, I have to admit.
Deborah, Deborah Meaden.
She’s so nice I said it twice.
July 22, 2008 at 10:40 am
She’s got those face lines that make her look like Droopy in a blonde wig. You wanna fuck Droopy, do you? Is that what you’re saying? You bad egg.
July 22, 2008 at 10:44 am
She would make a good “Madam” of a house of disrepute. Now there’s a business idea!
July 22, 2008 at 10:45 am
I always liked Droopy but was too young to realise what kind of relationship I’d have wanted with him.
July 22, 2008 at 10:48 am
I think it’s become clear you want the sort of relationship with Droopy that begins and ends at Droopy’s arse-end.
July 22, 2008 at 10:51 am
I couldn’t speculate on that.
Have you ever been to a party where they’ve got living statues and the like? I went to one where there were people dressed as vampires and dancing girls. And free champagne.
I got kicked out.
July 22, 2008 at 10:54 am
I’ve never been to one of those sort of parties, no. I did once gatecrash a family reunion by pretending to be a distant long-lost cousin. Somewhere out there there’s a family who has a group shot of us all – Frank, cousin Anne, Big Steve, Colin’s boy, and me, looking shifty on the end with a stolen can of Heineken in my hand.
Bloody good barbecue them buggers put on.
July 22, 2008 at 10:58 am
Two things:
1) A band? I don’t understand how you sell a band to the Dragons as an idea, and then they all proceeded to practically cream their pants over them! What the fuck?
2) The bedsheet. Ok, so there’s a line in it. Right, ok. Which does what? Does it buzz if you roll onto it? Does it create an invisible forcefield that you cannot penetrate (arf)? No? Then what’s the fucking point?!
As you can see, the episode angered me more than a little.
July 22, 2008 at 11:02 am
I must say I was slightly bewildered by that line on a sheet thing. Why not go the whole hog and erect barb wire fencing, watchtowers and dog patrols? Either that or give ‘er a slap if she strays over the border, eh lads? Lads?
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA …
July 22, 2008 at 11:03 am
Leave off the bedsheet – it has NOVELTY value, alright?
As for gatecrashing parties, the art students’ parties at University were always interesting. We developed a culture of crashing ‘artistic parties’. One notable one involved the party goers running around topless, boys and girls. The boys punched one another, drawing blood. I think it was some kind of statement.
We sat on the sidelines watching as our minds boggled.
July 22, 2008 at 11:04 am
Agree with you Clarry. Was going to make the same sort of point…
July 22, 2008 at 11:05 am
I found the band bit a bit embarrasing.
July 22, 2008 at 11:07 am
Mikey – I didn’t say anything about DD yet. Are you mixing me and Clarys up?
July 22, 2008 at 11:08 am
Yes the bedsheet has novelty value. You could make bedsheets marked out as football pitches, tennis courts etc. for novelty value. But novelty has a limited market and the idea was basically stupid.
July 22, 2008 at 11:08 am
Yes I am mixing you up.
July 22, 2008 at 11:09 am
Oh yeah – well YOU’RE basically stupid, Mikey.
How d’ye like them pommes, monsieur??
July 22, 2008 at 11:10 am
I’m having problems posting an awesome link on this blog.
July 22, 2008 at 11:11 am
And actual grown-ups don’t tend to go in for novelty when it comes to their bed linen. Retarded men-children, girls who refuse to admit they’re not 16 anymore, arseholes, yes, but not normal people. You could probably shift a lot of units to students.
July 22, 2008 at 11:13 am
Hamfatter. I bet they have a guy with aviators and skinny jeans that sings ‘woah woah’ during the chorus. I bloody hate indie.
July 22, 2008 at 11:15 am
‘I hate indie’
I hate it when people dismiss entire genres. Unless it’s Westerns.
July 22, 2008 at 11:17 am
Westerns are good. I watched Open Range t’other day. Excellent gunfight at the end, and Costner manages not to get on your nerves.
July 22, 2008 at 11:18 am
In fairness, the blokes in Hamfatter (AWFUL name) looked fairly sound and normal.
I think I shall change my name from Clarys, I can understand that it gets a smidge confusing! I shall be known as Wenchy from now.
July 22, 2008 at 11:19 am
Some Westerns are alright, which only proves my point that you shouldn’t dismiss entire genres.
July 22, 2008 at 11:20 am
I thought Hamfatter were alright. Couldn’t gauge the music from a ten second clip, mind you.
July 22, 2008 at 11:22 am
You can buy a Layline bed sheet from Ebay or at http://www.laylinebedsheet.co.uk.
July 22, 2008 at 11:25 am
Canny promotion there, Fos – but aren’t you going to defend yourself?!
July 22, 2008 at 11:27 am
I have no opinion on Hamfatter because my ears closed down in 1993.
July 22, 2008 at 11:27 am
SH: I’m not dismissing a genre. ‘Guitar pop’ is the genre that most modern day ‘indie’ bands belong to, and that’s been churning out classics since the early 1950s. ‘Independent’ is a business model, and not a musical genre. ‘Indie’ is a brand given to white middle class bands in a misguided attempt to make them seem more authentic and cool. See ‘Nu-Metal.’
July 22, 2008 at 11:30 am
As I said it the layline sheet is a great idea and will be ordering one!
July 22, 2008 at 11:31 am
Depends what era you’re talking about, George. I agree that it’s been tarnished and used in place of that unworkable genre-name ‘alternative’.
But in the 80s and early 90s indie was a genre as much as a business model. You wouldn’t know that as you were born in what… 1994?
July 22, 2008 at 11:33 am
Indie bands on independent record labels was how it started.
July 22, 2008 at 11:34 am
NC – ‘Retarded men-children’ is probably my favouritest laff-out-loud funny thing you said on here. That is a very apt desciption.
July 22, 2008 at 11:35 am
Indie to me is stuff like The Happy Mondays, The Stone Roses and The Inspiral Carpets. You mean to tell me it’s still about? I better re-grow my curtains.
July 22, 2008 at 11:36 am
Clarry – Glad to be of service.
July 22, 2008 at 11:36 am
Much before….Stiff probably started the wholething off as potentially profitable.
July 22, 2008 at 11:37 am
Deborah from Dragon’s Den looks like Krang from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (my bedsheet theme), since I can’t attach the link to prove how right I am about this. Krang.
July 22, 2008 at 11:39 am
Actually , thinking about in terms of Napoleon’s “all things are related historically” thesis, perhaps Apple and The Beatles were the forerunners of the independent movement.
July 22, 2008 at 11:42 am
Were they? Fair enough. I know that stuff I mentioned as ‘Indie’ because that’s what they called the music I was listening to in 1990. Apple was an independent label, so I suppose they were the forerunners. That company was a fucking shambles.
July 22, 2008 at 11:45 am
What was the name of that bloke who ran Apple?
‘Magic’ Alan or something. he was a loon.
July 22, 2008 at 11:45 am
Anyway music is music and classifying it is really all a bit silly, but it appeals to our innate sense of the need to order and classify.
July 22, 2008 at 11:47 am
Only classifications needed are , 1). I like it. 2). I do not like it….with further subdivisions of these 2 positions.
July 22, 2008 at 11:49 am
SH: I was born in 1986, the same year the C86 mixtape came out. I’m 22. I am aware that indie was born out of guitar rock / pop musicians that worked an independently to mainstream record labels, but it’s exactly that reason that they were called independent, isn’t it?
I mean, if you stick by such labels, then a new album by Mayhem could be called ‘old metal’ while whatever piss-weak rap rock musings Fred Durst comes up with would be ‘new metal.’
I understand that alternative / indie is an officially recognised genre (and I’m not slagging off the Smiths, The Pixies, Joy Division et al who I love most passionately), merely voicing my irritation with so called ‘genres’ that aren’t genres, Nu-rave been another example.
July 22, 2008 at 11:54 am
It’s always been the case George in whatever genre of music there is, whether it be classical, jazz, rock n’ roll there will always be divisions and subdivisions etc, ad infinitum.
July 22, 2008 at 11:58 am
George – I’n happy to slag off The Smiths if you’re not up for the job.
July 22, 2008 at 11:59 am
Vastly overrated, Them Smiths characters.
July 22, 2008 at 12:00 pm
NP: Be my guest!
July 22, 2008 at 12:02 pm
I’ve always loved their music, but been of the opinion that Morrisey is a grade A bellend. A bit like Newcombe and and the Brian Jonestown Massacre.
July 22, 2008 at 12:05 pm
It was his ‘Meat is Murder’ schtick that got on my fucking nerves. Murder, my arse.
July 22, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Johnny Marr is a guitarist I like.
July 22, 2008 at 12:10 pm
I’m sure Battenburg Cake’s not as good as it used to be.
July 22, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Apparently this is bingo-loving big girl (his words, not mine) Mrs Paphitis:
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/79443485.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1935E8AB2A78FA701DEE99FF5B9638C3165284831B75F48EF45
She’s a dead ringer for Debs Meaden, if you ask me.
July 22, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Silence.
She has stunned you with her bingo-loving face.
If the classroom at school went all quiet, someone would inevitably shout ‘WHO’S DIED?’
July 22, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Hmmm. She’s not ‘alf as orange as I expected. P’raps vulgar wives in big fur coats are only attracted to self-made men who made their millions in the antiques/pallets/ball-bearing trade?
I’m trying very hard not to be sick at the minute. It’s difficult considering The Lighthouse Family are on the radio. If Simply Red comes on, I’m fucked.
July 22, 2008 at 12:30 pm
I was forced to go to Yo! Sushi yesterday by work folk. They’ve ruined my guts, I tell you. That;s why they got such a slating in the above post, the gut-bothering culture thieving twats.
July 22, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Yo! Sushi has never disagreed with me, I go at least once a month. You’re just damned unlucky, orm you don’t know how to wash your hands.
July 22, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Was never impressed with that chain. If you want authentic Japanese food, ..go to Tokyo.
July 22, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Sod off, mikey. I should have bumbled across to Denmark for my pastried product today, should I? And to Italia tonight for my Tesco pizza.
July 22, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Quite right, Mikey. There are loads of good sushi restaurants in any major city – anyone who chooses Yo! Sushi over other independent or a smaller chain is clearly an unimaginative shitwit.
Dave?
July 22, 2008 at 12:38 pm
No, I live in Manchester not London. I have a choice of two Sushi places, one independent. I go to both.
July 22, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Denmark for your pastry…! Danish pastry ha ha ha. You could have a Bath bun or a Chelsea bun you fool!
July 22, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Ever thought about cooking the fish first, you apes? ‘Yo Sushi’, indeed. You’re nothing but a pack of uncivilised savages. Next you’ll be telling me you eat this raw rubbish with a couple of sticks.
BABOONS.
July 22, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Do they have Tesco’s in Italy?
July 22, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Don’t know why he would be going Italy anyway, considering pizza was invented in China.
July 22, 2008 at 12:44 pm
No. That’s my point. I can enjoy an Anglo-Italian dish like Tesco’s 40p mini cheese and tomato topped, by myself, with bacon, sweetcorn and Daddies ketchup.
July 22, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Dave – you’re a hopeless liar. I’m typing this on the internet so I have access to google, see?
http://www.sugarvine.com/Manchester/search/cuisine_search.asp?cuisine_type=Japanese
July 22, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Napoleon – have you got an iPod?
July 22, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Sod off. There are noodle bars and hopelessly expensive places, I grant but I’ve clocked one affordable Sushi bar in the northern quarter and Yo! Sushi under Selfridges.
July 22, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Swineshead – No.
July 22, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Oh, and a rubbish one in Arndale Market that’s rubbish so doesn’t count.
July 22, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Actually the supermarket Sushi’s are not too bad.
July 22, 2008 at 12:53 pm
You didn’t even look at that link, did you Dave? Maybe you should use the internet as a resource for getting out and about occasionally rather than researching sci fi rubbish and hardcore pornography.
July 22, 2008 at 12:54 pm
And the only decent Sushi place on that horrific link was Wasabi, the place I bloody go as it happens. I lie about many thing but never, never sushi.
July 22, 2008 at 12:59 pm
‘No, I live in Manchester not London. I have a choice of two Sushi places, one independent. I go to both.’
That’s what you said. And it was wrong. A lie, no less.
Have you got something against the Japanese?
July 22, 2008 at 1:00 pm
and Dave ..”Daddies ketchup” whats that about? Anybody with any culinary taste would always go for Heinz.
July 22, 2008 at 1:01 pm
What’s to lie about about raw meat. Man eat raw meat with stick, man get sea lice in belly, man spend five days shitting thunder, man curse Japanese, man cook food next time.
July 22, 2008 at 1:02 pm
WTF! A Japanese restaurant is not the same as a Sushi bar, never will be. Nor is a noodle bar like Wagamama.
July 22, 2008 at 1:03 pm
A man with a speech impediment has just tried to say ‘Moderate drinkers shouldn’t worry’. Made me laugh.
In other news, Christian Bale’s just been arrested.
July 22, 2008 at 1:07 pm
You said ‘sushi places’ – there were more than two sushi ‘places’ on that list. For fuck’s sake… give up.
What’s Bale done wrong? Wonder if he was on Clarry’s list…
As for raw fish – you’re not one of these people who likes their steak well done are you, NC?
July 22, 2008 at 1:08 pm
ahh..had a friend who ordered Steak Tartare and sent it back because it was not cooked.
July 22, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Bale apparently ‘assaulted’ his mother and sister in a hotel (don’t know what sort of an assault that is). They shopped him to the rozzers.
As for steak, no I tend to have it rare. As anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of cooking will tell you, there’s a difference between rare and raw. Raw meat eaten with sticks was a particular delicacy before someone with a bone through his nose discovered fire thousands of years ago.
Plus, those sea lice. Nasty. Japanese people apparently have an immunity to their dangers thanks to eating this shit over millennia. We haven’t.
July 22, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Obviously not really millennia. That’s quite a long time.
July 22, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Good to see that you’re giving some thought to what you type, Napoleon.
July 22, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Well I
July 22, 2008 at 1:21 pm
HA! I was about to say something about the fact I was, then I sent a ‘Well I’ flapping off into the ether. Must have ingested some sea lice.
July 22, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Actually in Europe there is no such thing as fresh fish. All fish caught in EU waters has to be frozen for 24 hours (then dethawed). The reason is the pollution in the sea.
Passing on to another subject, the sushi bars and the like are for intellectual arty fart types and wannabes. You can’t beat the whelk bars and jellied eels, and the good old pie and mash shops that made this nation.
July 22, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Rudimentary research demonstrates that sea lice affect fish and pose no danger to humans. Good job I wasn’t fretting about them while tucking into delicious sushi all those years, then.
Of course raw meat is different to rare-cooked meat – but the bit of meat that is rare is effectively raw (despite having been heated) – so you have eaten raw meat. Aren’t you worried about cow-lice?
I am surrounded by morons.
July 22, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Your ‘research’ amounts to what, exactly? Typing ‘sea lice’ into Wikipedia? If so, forgive me if I don’t immediately bow down to the ‘knowledge’ you’ve garnered from an open source encylopaedia that’s been damned as a disgrace by every serious academic body on earth.
Or have they got a large reference library containing books on ocean parasites in your office? Like you say, you’re surrounded by morons – the biggest one of which is you.
And it still doesn’t get away from the fact you’re eating raw meat with a stick, apeman.
July 22, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Dewa kore de.
July 22, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Click to access Sea_Lice_Fact_Sheet.pdf
This helped.
Where did you hear about these demon sea lice? A gaggle of old wives tell you that tale, did they?
How come you ignored them about the ‘masturbation sends you blind’ thing?
July 22, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Hmm. Maybe it’s only people with vile gastro-intestinal conditions like mine that are warned against the dangers of the sea lice that commonly riddle salmon. People with strong, healthy constitutions like yours should be fine. O’course, you’ve still got vile things such as lung flukes, herring worms, cod worms, and trout nematodes to worry about as you guzzle that raw meat with a stick.
July 22, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Rare steak can’t be helping your child-gut. You should steer clear of man’s food.
If only I lived in manchester there’d be no vile sushi to tempt me, according to that liar, Dave.
(Trout Nematodes actually sound quite cute, going by name alone).
July 22, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Don’t be a stirrer, you shandy drinking rat.
July 22, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Rare steak is perfectly fine, as it ‘appens. We have some of the highest veterinary safety standards in the world (see: Bernard Matthews bird flu containment), and anthing that does get through the testing is cooked out in the kitchen. That’s why we’re not all keeling over dead every five minutes. Raw sea food, on the other hand, contains all manner of bacterial infestations and parasites – which is why most societies advise cooking it first. It’s got nothing to do with avoiding ‘man’s food’ (which is steak, by the way), it’s to do with avoiding ingesting a bacterial toxic soup of filth just so I can look all sophisticated. Carry on eating worms, lice, and nematodes with a stick, caveman, I’ll stick to good, honest and, above all, SAFE steak eaten with a knife and fork.
July 22, 2008 at 1:59 pm
I’d rather sup sweet shandy than be a souse like you Dave. When I was a drunk like you I could at least handle my booze.
July 22, 2008 at 2:01 pm
I don’t drink.
July 22, 2008 at 2:01 pm
I take your point on raw fish, Napoleon though I doubt it’s as toxic as you make out (food standards might’ve had a word if it were).
As for chopsticks – they do the job admirably. Are you making the bigoted point that they’re somehow unnecessary?
July 22, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Dave – aren’t you ‘I’m the other Dave’?
If not, apologies for giving you so much shit.
If you are, LIAR.
July 22, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Bigoted? How so?
July 22, 2008 at 2:04 pm
You said that eating food with sticks is what cavemen do. Up there.
Amnesia in one so young….
July 22, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Yes, but how’s that bigoted?
July 22, 2008 at 2:06 pm
I haven’t had a drop in 2 weeks due to the fact I have the belly of a walrus.
And I don’t deserve you shit, Swineshead. It’s giving me anxiety.
July 22, 2008 at 2:07 pm
He probablt ‘Google researched’ a Spike Milligan sketch…
July 22, 2008 at 2:11 pm
The people of Japan, Vietnam, China, Malaysia etc… eat like apemen, according to you. I find that fairly bigoted, personally.
July 22, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Dave – good for you, sir. You’ll find you shrink faster than you expected.
July 22, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I’ve heard Napoloen’s been hanging round with that John Lydon again, backstage at some gig in Barcelona or something.
July 22, 2008 at 2:18 pm
That Euan is fucking shit on Today, he’s managed to turn it from Panorama to GMTV
I love sushi btw, just had some for my lunch as it goes, the M&S stuff isn’t too bad
July 22, 2008 at 2:19 pm
I watched ‘Step Up To The Plate’ earlier. That’s DEFINITELY worth a review on ‘ere.
July 22, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Of course! The brainwashed liberal goes galloping off to the accusatory fortress of racism and bigotry when the going gets rough! How very predictable!
No, Swineshead, I’m not bigoted towards our friends in South East Asia. I am allowed, however, to be critical, or disapproving, or downright rude, or what-have-you of any fucker’s habits, country or culture I don’t like if I want to – as they are towards me. I admire the Japanese for many many things. Their contribution to electronics has enhanced mankind immesurably, and I thank them for it. I enjoy their food (well … not all of it), their lunatic television programmes, their marvellous horror films, their cars, their people etc, etc, etc. However, I don’t think we’re so far down the road towards fascism that I can’t say I find eating food with sticks ridiculous regardless of the practice’s country of origin. I
July 22, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Dunno why there was an extra ‘I’ on the end there. Egotism, perhaps?
July 22, 2008 at 2:22 pm
It actually makes more sense eating with one hand rather than two…
One can masturbate or punch the wife whilst one eats, it’s very simple if you ask me.
July 22, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Egotism without a doubt, NC.
Your lengthy response rather suggests you never learned how to use chopsticks.
Can you ride a bike? If not, do you hate the people of Amsterdam?
Just learn it, they’re actually rather nifty you cack-handed moron.
July 22, 2008 at 2:22 pm
It is, isn’t it Piqued?
Easy peasy.
July 22, 2008 at 2:23 pm
… I used the chopsticks provided when I had lunch, in the course my meal I blacked a chaps eye and spunked all over my wasabi
July 22, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Well you can’t really cut with chopsticks, so they’re effectively the more dextrous and versatile equivalent of a fork, an equal monomanual implement. now if only we could learn to be amazing with chopsticks with the left hand. Or make fancy left-hand-knives.
July 22, 2008 at 2:25 pm
or if they attached a blade to the bottom of one of the chopsticks, they’d be unstoppable. UNSTOPPABLE!
July 22, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Might work, JQW, but I reckon NCs the sort of bloke who blends his food so he doesn’t have to bother chewing. I can picture him slurping up steak while screaming about how swallowing’s too complicated.
July 22, 2008 at 2:29 pm
At the same time? He’d spatter creamy steak purée all over his shack.
July 22, 2008 at 2:30 pm
It’s not surprising you fall back on easy insults about my intelligence when you’ve not got a decent reply. First up I’m a bigot, then I’m stupid. Have you perhaps thought the reason I don’t eat my dinner with a stick is because I find the practice rather primitive? In the same way I don’t eat my food with one half and wipe my arse with the bare palm of the other? How that translates as hatred is anyone’s guess. I can’t stand the way the British go abroad, get wasted and punch Greek waiters – does that mean I hate the British because I refuse to join in?
You’re mistaking disapproval of what another culture does with hatred of that nation or the people of that nation. And you’re doing it selectively. I assume you find the Korean practice of boiling cats alive for human consumption distasteful? If so, doesn’t that, by your twisted logic, make you hate Korean people? Fucking ridiculous.
July 22, 2008 at 2:31 pm
What’s wrong with using hands? Hands are an evolutionary marvel and so it would seem logical to use them.
July 22, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Yeah, works if you’ve cooked the food. Would you fully trust the chef in a greasy spoon not to have licked his fingers, rubbed them along the floor and then dipped his dirty digits in your crusty scramble?
July 22, 2008 at 2:34 pm
‘I don’t eat my food with one half and wipe my arse with the bare palm of the other’
Ooh get Mr my-shit-don’t-stink
Come on mate, everyone does that, Jesus…
July 22, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Boiled cat sounds lush.
July 22, 2008 at 2:35 pm
I’ve said a few times now that I find calling people who ‘eat with sticks’ ‘apemen’ bigoted.
That’s what I find bigoted.
Not your being baffled by people eating with chopsticks, rather your choice to refer to those who do it as a matter of course ‘apemen’ and ‘cavemen’ when they’re clearly as developed as anyone else.
I get similarly bemused when people refer to black people as monkeys because of how their hair grows naturally.
It’s not difficult. But clearly it’s political correctness gone mad. Have me certified if that’s the case.
July 22, 2008 at 2:36 pm
‘I get similarly bemused when people refer to black people as monkeys because of how their hair grows naturally’.
Genuinely don’t get this
July 22, 2008 at 2:36 pm
It’s what’s in ’em that’s at stake here, Dave. In the one corner we have a knife and fork – a finely honed set of instruments our culture has been eating its food with for centuries, and perfectly adaptable for skewering lumps of raw fish with – and in the other, two sticks. Old fuddy-duddy I may be, but in this instance my preference for eating my dinner with implements that are further up the evolutionary scale than a couple of sticks makes me Mr. Futuristic in this particular argument.
July 22, 2008 at 2:37 pm
It’s to do with hair? is that a joke?
July 22, 2008 at 2:39 pm
From personal experience, a racial tirade based around appearance in which a black gentleman was referred to as a monkey for having an afro.
July 22, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Do monkeys have afros? I thought it was just a bad reference to the idea that black people came from jungles and that monkeys were a bit like primitive humans in appearance.
Bit weird, your explanation. But then I might be wrong.
July 22, 2008 at 2:43 pm
What about spoons?
July 22, 2008 at 2:44 pm
If you have hot n sour soup or wan ton soup , you get a spoon. Therefore our cultures have unified with this implement.
July 22, 2008 at 2:44 pm
‘a bit like primitive humans in appearance’…
…and what’s a primitive human, JQW?
Anyway, the point is it’s a dumb thing to say, much like the chopstick / caveman thing. A witless assault with no grounding.
Spoons – good point.
July 22, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I’m not calling the people who eat with ’em ‘apemen’, I’m calling you an apeman. And the practice is apeman-like in its primitiveness. Sorry if that offends, but there’s nothing factually incorrect about describing a way of eating your food that involves picking it up with a stick ‘caveman’ in nature. You assume I’m being bigoted because you don’t understand the nuances of the argument.
In a similar vein – and the reason I say you’re picking and choosing – that ‘just as developed as anyone else’ cat-boiler in Pyong Yang is boiling those cats in a primitive (or apeman) fashion.
Of course, your PC-flooded brain automatically looks for bigotry and racism in everything. It’s hard to get through that mire of brainwashing.
July 22, 2008 at 2:46 pm
‘Sorry if that offends’
It potentially could, so let’s call that an end.
As Theo might say, I’m out.
July 22, 2008 at 2:47 pm
“…and what’s a primitive human, JQW?”
An earlier step on the evolutionary trail i.e. a neanderthal or homo erectus. I’m not talking about people what’s around now.
July 22, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Is the whole PC thing a shtick, NP? I mean, you don’t actually swallow that arse, do you?
July 22, 2008 at 2:47 pm
It potentially could offend an idiot who hasn’t the capacity to separate the different strands of an argument, yes.
Anyway, Dave’s the fucking racist here.
July 22, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Piqued..we had Nick Robinson as a presenter this morning as well. I quite like him.
July 22, 2008 at 2:50 pm
“Is the whole PC thing a shtick, NP? I mean, you don’t actually swallow that arse, do you?”
Which arse, George?
July 22, 2008 at 2:53 pm
A metaphorical arse. As in, do you think the whole concept of political correctness is a load of made up nonsense?
July 22, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Look it’s quite simple. Raw food is quite good for you if it is not contaminated. Heating food is a good idea especially mass produced food of today. Chopsticks are OK and once mastered are very effective.
(BTW distinct correlation of your class to where you hold your chopstick).
Spoons are pretty useful too.
July 22, 2008 at 2:54 pm
I use chopsticks, Perry. What have you contributed towards equality?
July 22, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Sometimes I wonder if you lot even like each other….
July 22, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Stewed food is mostest good for you, breaks down complex proteins etc.
July 22, 2008 at 2:55 pm
All cultures use bread in one way or other for hand held snacks. We all use plates and bowls.
July 22, 2008 at 2:56 pm
I say ‘mostest good’, clearly a mix of all this stuff is best. LEAVE ME ALONE, YEAH?
July 22, 2008 at 2:56 pm
I never said you were racist – bigot perhaps, but infrequently and accidentally…. more culturally insenstive.
Whereas Dave is an out and out rabid racist.
July 22, 2008 at 3:01 pm
George – Not all of it, no. I do think a sincere attempt to even up the odds for minorities has turned into a monstrous behemoth where everyone is scared to say anything about anything from religion to those bastard French in case it offends somebody.
Dave – My contribution to equality? What’s that got to do with chopsticks?
July 22, 2008 at 3:02 pm
I forgot to add that Dave’s a racist. The fucking racist.
July 22, 2008 at 3:05 pm
That was a bit too intense for a Dragons’ Den article.
July 22, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Have you seen ‘Step Up To The Plate’, SH?
July 22, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I’ve probably offended the French now.
July 22, 2008 at 3:06 pm
No idea what it is, JQW…?
July 22, 2008 at 3:09 pm
I’m an ironic Alf Garnett figure, subversively tackling the issues that matter from the inside, where it counts.
Chopsticks have everything to do with it. Says a lot about a man, that does, far beyond the fatuous use of a 70s slur that nobody got because I’m ahead of the game by several decades.
Swineshead recognises it, I recognise it, even you recognise it.
July 22, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Daytime cookery programme – team of amateur cooks bring in a menu, a team of celebrity chefs is pitted against them, both have a time limit in which to produce the dishes listed by the amateurs with ingredients provided, then their meals are placed on a lazy susan, turned round a few times so as to ‘confuse’ the judge. They wheel out Lloyd Grossman, he tastes each, says which wins that course, they reveal whose dish it was that won, and so on. Prize money increases by 1000 quid every round the amateurs lose (they always lose).
Least competent host ever, named Anton, he’s like a stupid Rob Brydon, dresses like Alan Partridge and strolls around making a cock of himself while the teams cook. The live studio audience is clearly lead by someone with placards telling them to ‘ooh’ ‘hahah’ or ‘groooan’, which is why they show such a lack of interest and choral unison in their doing so.
July 22, 2008 at 3:12 pm
led*
July 22, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Look..most normal people know that you either like somebody or not, regardless of race, creed, religion. There are many English people I think are real twats but that does not make all English people twats. Differentiation based on a generalisation is basically for stupid people, who have no understanding of anything.
July 22, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Christ. It sounds awful/essential.
I’ll V+ the bastard.
July 22, 2008 at 3:16 pm
I seriously thought that ‘Anton’ might be an alcoholic after the one showing I watched. He stumbles around making cringeworthy jokes. The chefs aren’t much better in that respect.
July 22, 2008 at 3:16 pm
all these f***ing cookery programs. and now mixed in with celebrities. No wonder we did not qualify for Euro 2008. W***ers!
July 22, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Mikey – Did you just generalise stupid people whilst saying all stupid people generalise people? Why hasn’t the fabric of space imploded?
July 22, 2008 at 3:17 pm
JQW – I saw that guy who speaks like a 1940s spiv on BBC Breakfast talking about this show. He’s a dancer or something. Sounds like one of the characters Paul Whitehouse used to do.
Dave – I didn’t get any of that. It was shrouded in a miasma of racism I couldn’t penetrate. Something about Arabs, was it? You should be a-fucking-shamed of yourself.
July 22, 2008 at 3:18 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00crbrz
July 22, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Seriously Dave – ease up on the racism.
July 22, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Watch the first two minutes and tell me he doesn’t sound like he’s had a few stiff whiskeys before the show.
July 22, 2008 at 3:23 pm
NC – You see, I don’t mind being accused of being a violently hateful thing, just as long as it makes me chortle. Your comment made me chortle.
Still, I’m reading ‘The Book of 5 Ring’s tonight. That proves you wrong.
July 22, 2008 at 3:24 pm
He has got the oddest voice. It’s something you’d expect to hear on a 1930s public information film about the East End’s preparations for their defence against looming aerial bombardment. Nobody survived the war with that voice – nobody but this man’s mum and dad.
And will you leave it, Dave! Christ! We’ll be closed down at this rate.
July 22, 2008 at 3:25 pm
I have the Lenny Henry Show and Chef on VHS. Now leave it.
July 22, 2008 at 3:27 pm
I like how he repeats everything on the menu after the amateurs have clearly announced it within 10 feet of the chef. It’s dead real stuff.
It is the sort of voice you expect to hear coming out Vivian Stanshall on one of his later, drunken, awful monologue recordings. Plus he does look like a stupid Rob Brydon. Almost exactly.
July 22, 2008 at 3:31 pm
He shows up on Channel 5 ‘The Wright Stuff’ for a week here and there. He’s usually accompanied by Anne Diamond, and I like to imagine him taking care of Anne’s business-end as Matthew Wright puts her pie ‘ole to the sword. Then, just as this Anton fella’s about to spill his beans up Anne’s stomach-stapled fart chute, he whips it out and
REST OF COMMENT REMOVED
July 22, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Blast, I was just about to spuff my beans.
July 22, 2008 at 3:34 pm
*hovers mid wank*
July 22, 2008 at 3:35 pm
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/visual_arts/article4373850.ece
July 22, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Janet and Sophie having LESBIAN intecourse, mother and daughter. Imagine that.
July 22, 2008 at 3:43 pm
I don’t like Theo.
There is something really creepy about him.
Yuk.
July 22, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Typical of Dave to pick two WHITE women to fantasise over, eh? Personally, I get my jollies thinking of This Week’s Diane Abbot buttering up humourless former MP Oona King’s buttocks in a big bath of butter.
I bet your house is covered in Nazi flags, Dave.
July 22, 2008 at 3:53 pm
That’s incorrect. I find Josie Derby quite an alluring prospect, and Trisha.
You’ll have to try harder than that to pin me on this race issue. Far harder.
July 22, 2008 at 3:59 pm
I’m with you on Josie D’Arby.
Not literally, you’d put me off.
July 22, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Is it just me or is it impossible to watch This Week without thinking of Portillo and Abbott going full pelt in a bedroom fandango?
They’re practically fondling each other throughout transmission.
July 22, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Apparently D’Arby is stepping out with Viggo Mortenson. She ought to be careful. He’s got a history of violence that one.
I think you can probably see what it is that I did do there.
July 22, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Unneccesary.
July 22, 2008 at 4:04 pm
He’d love to bury his wrinkles in her chocolatey folds.
July 22, 2008 at 4:05 pm
What’s unnecessary, Dave?
And JQW – careful or I’ll have to amend my list.
July 22, 2008 at 4:07 pm
I don’t think there’s anything racist in describing a skin colour as chocolatey. certainly nothing as racist as Dave.
July 22, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Go watch the California Raisins, Wagonwheel. That kind of accepted racism sits well with the likes of you.
And, Swineshead, the thought of you and I double-teaming a respectedex- Channel 5 debate show presenter whikst wearing nothing but our socks is unnecessary.
July 22, 2008 at 4:13 pm
‘Nothing but our socks’… so you at least considered it and embellished it with a little detail.
YOU’RE A PERVERT.
July 22, 2008 at 4:13 pm
And a racist.
July 22, 2008 at 4:15 pm
A pervist. But I have never contrived or promoted such conversation, others have. I feed acorns to squirrels and play medieval stringed instruments in trees.
July 22, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Like that big chicken in Robin Hood? Is that chickenist?
July 22, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Foghorn Leghorn is definitely a racial stereotype.
July 22, 2008 at 4:24 pm
There he goes, wading through a quagmire of his own bigotry …
Anyway, it wasn’t Foghorn Leghorn in Robin Hood. Trust you to turn it round to racist chickens, I say, trust your to turn it round to racist chickens, boy.
July 22, 2008 at 4:24 pm
If I were a folk singer and chicken I would be furious.
July 22, 2008 at 4:27 pm
I never suggested Foghorn was in Robin Hood. Talking about Disney films, isn’t Song of the South brill! I have it on Disney DVD.
July 22, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Do you have the original version or the later one where they cleaned it up? I’ve got a copy of the original on dvd lying around somewhere, just because I helped a relative get hold of it for a documentary project and she graciously sent me an extra copy (she had to order 5 to ship them)
July 23, 2008 at 8:46 am
I’m not a man and I am definitely NOT the Chalky you seem to NOT have had the pleasure in meeting at your school!
July 23, 2008 at 8:48 am
Soz, Chalky.
August 29, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Arr tis a sad day when a chap from Asda gets laughed off the stage by arrogant so called dragons. I liked the idea and hope he sticks with it cos you know what… i think, on account that hes obv a regular guy (when he said he didn’t like maths) he would be inspirational to a generation so go get em asda guy! rarrr your a tigre!
August 29, 2008 at 11:11 pm
THats the guy with the non slip travel cushion from the early dragons den episode this year, just incase there was a different asda guy (if ur him respopnd to this and we’ll join forces against the dragons lolz)
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