Just A Thought : Balding’s Balls-Up

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I see the BBC has received over 1,500 complaints about Claire Balding’s mocking of National winner Liam Treadwell’s gnashers last Saturday.

As the owner of a set of teeth one could generously describe as an ‘abomination against God’, I’d like to add my support for Claire at this difficult time. My sort (the orthodontically despicable) shouldn’t be allowed on the television, and it’s high time somebody had the balls to point it out.

Indeed, I reckon we should go further and get rid of all visually repulsive people off our screens once and for all. As well as hell-mawed ape-men such as m’self, may I suggest we give horse-faced, pug-nosed, bullock-built unterfrauleins the boot to boot? Nobody springs to mind at the moment, but I’m sure we could truffle out someone of that description if we sniffed about the BBC sports department for long enough …

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148 Responses to “Just A Thought : Balding’s Balls-Up”

  1. Mel Says:

    I can’t see this. Can someone please tell me what she said?
    Thanks

  2. Swineshead Says:

    Give us a big grin to camera. No, no – let’s see your teeth.
    Not the best teeth in the world but you can afford to get them done now.

    What a mean-spirited old sod.

  3. Mel Says:

    Thanks SH.

    I think that is a bit rude coming from a lady that is no oil paintig hersellf.

    She should go on that list of yours.

  4. Napoleon Says:

    It’s tooth fascism gone mad. Have you seen that ad for that stuff you paint your teeth that ludicrous American white with? Isn’t that just Tippex, like? Tippex for the monstrously vain?

  5. Swineshead Says:

    My teeth look like they’re wearing camouflage gear so I can relate to this poor Treadwell fellow.

  6. Mel Says:

    No, i haven’t, but the way that you tell it, it does seem like it could be…

    It is all part of a plan to keep us down you know Nappers, with the state of British Dentistry being what it is. They flog this stuff to try and make us feel like the dental poor cousins of the world.

  7. Mel Says:

    Fortunataly, and following extensive dental work, my teeth are now OK again. I can still sympathise though. He probably developed a thin lipped smile for that very reason. I think we should probably burn Ms Spalding, or something.

  8. indy Says:

    what a b*tch.

    how about this for a comeback:

    “show your tits to camera. no, no – let’s see your tits.
    not the best tits in the world but hopefully you can afford to get them done now.”

  9. Swineshead Says:

    Apart from Shane MacGowan, who’s got the most ‘characteristic’ teeth in showbiz?

  10. Swineshead Says:

    Indy – can you imagine the uproar if he’d said that?
    Yikes…

  11. Napoleon Says:

    The actor Alan Ford’s got a cracking set of Great British gnashers. I can’t find a decent photo of him. He’s the Cockney bloke in Snatch.

  12. Do I Not Like That! Says:

    I am with the rabid Daily mail readership on this. It was a disgrace. And the more I think about it, the more insensitive the comment was. For goodness sake, the guy had won the GN and was enjoying the highlight of his sporting career and for balding to make a point of it was just gross insensitivity. Like most people say, balding take a look at yourself, you are not the best example of british womanhood. At least he can get his teeth fixed, the work needed to get balding looking attractive would cost billions.

  13. indy Says:

    sh: how about:
    -dee snider before he had to file them down (vampiresque canine teeth)
    -john lydon – named rotten because of his teeth

  14. Mel Says:

    Of course, we are not advocating surgery here though are we dinlt? More a case of a pot calling the kettle black etc.

  15. Swineshead Says:

    I’m prepared to stump up a tenner to make Balding look presentable – anyone else?

    If we put our minds to it and our hands in our pockets, we can make Balding look like a fine example of womanhood (and if we’ve any change, we can sort out Alan Ford’s teeth).

  16. Do I Not Like That! Says:

    We would need to drink alot of alcohol to make balding look attractive. is the tenner for rocket fuel beer from the supermarket?

  17. Mel Says:

    Well, i am out. It smells very strongly of body facism to me. Of course Ms Balding is guilty of face facism herself, but still…

  18. Napoleon Says:

    I’ll chip in. I’d also like to contribute towards reducing the size of Sharron Davies’s shoulders.

  19. Nick of the T Says:

    Claires husband must be so ashamed.

    No..really…is she? So she hasn’t …oh…well now she has a little money she might be able to get that fixed eh?
    You can’t “fix” that?
    Shame, not that I’ve anything against that sort of thing.
    In fact I’ve got videos of other erm ah yes…they don’t look like Claire though…they’re more …what can I say….ATTRACTIVE?

  20. indy Says:

    mal: agree.

  21. Mel Says:

    Nick, i think those specialist videos have affected your eyesight/ cognitive skills.

  22. Swineshead Says:

    Mel – I was only playing silly beggars as a reaction to Balding ruining that little fella’s day. I’m hardly going to stick up an online fund via justgiving.com…

    But if we are going to fork out for these bodily changes, can I put in a fiver to get Wogan’s penile bulge reduced?

  23. indy Says:

    i don’t know anything about this balding woman and i don’ care about her looks BUT her comment was out of order. give her the brand/ross treatment.

    so what’s tabloid the name for this scandal? -gate?

  24. Swineshead Says:

    Nick – you crossed that line quite shambolically there.

  25. Mel Says:

    Has she been made to grovel to the Daily Hate Mail readers yet?

  26. Swineshead Says:

    She got more complaints on the day of the National than Brand and Ross received on the night of their broadcast.

  27. Do I Not Like That! Says:

    She was a good all-rounder in sport, and was champion lady rider in 1990… from her website.

  28. Napoleon Says:

    That’s because nobody used to listen to the Russell Brand show, Swineshead.

  29. Nick of the T Says:

    Whilst various overpaid mechanics made up “labour charges” and fitting the wrong tyre to the wrong wheel, I read the Daily Mail. Awful, I hadn’t realised it was so bad. There was a very interesting piece about it in Private Eye regarding Sir Fred Goodwin.

    Max Hastings said regarding Sir Fred “This is why we must stand outside their (bankers) homes and throw rocks through their windows”

    Then in the editorial 5 days later after attacks on Sir Freds house “Shouldn’t ministers examine their own consciences about the way they inflamed public feeling against Sir Fred?”

    Stephen Glover 19 March “I am very happy to hate Sir Fred Goodwin……the mere sight of him is sickening. After a drink or two, I almost feel like killing him”

    6 days later the shit (Stephen Glover) changes his mind whining “The BBC, in conjunction with self serving ministers, [built] up Sir fred into such a loathsome figure that no self respecting revolutionary figure could remain unmoved. Such grandstanding risks stirring the politics of envy and violence. Lay off the bankers. Stop exciting the mob”

    The shit….

    While I’m at it, “reporting” what Russell Brand Twitters is just plain lazy.

    *shakes fist*

  30. Swineshead Says:

    The fact you couldn’t put a wager on how many times Ross would allude to sexual shenanigans with Sachs’ daughter might explain the difference in listeners/viewers…

    Just watching the illuminating drugs debate on The Wright Stuff. I don’t know why they bother with having people call in.

  31. Edna Welthorpe Says:

    Claire Balding’s wife, Radio 4 newsreader Alice Arnold, probably loves her potato face, though…

  32. Nick of the T Says:

    There’s a line?

  33. Napoleon Says:

    By the way, I’d just like to take this opportunity to thank that meerkat for clearing up any confusion caused by the similarly-sounding comparethemarket.com and comparethemeerkat.com in every single ad break on Channel Five.

  34. Swineshead Says:

    That meerkat ain’t quite the Churchill nodding dog, is it?

  35. Napoleon Says:

    Nobody’s quite the Churchill nodding dog (except for Churchill the nodding dog). I’m surprised the anti-pedigree dog Nazis haven’t called for the banning of Churchill the nodding dog because he’s been selectively bred for his looks without taking into consideration any health problems such breeding can lead to.

  36. Swineshead Says:

    I disagree. At the very least, Bob Mortimer is partly Churchill nodding dog.

    My point is, it’s a lesser brand. You difficult, ugly twerp.

  37. Napoleon Says:

    How’s that being difficult? I was fucking agreeing with you, you beak-faced, overweight rodent.

    JESUS!

  38. Nick of the T Says:

    I listened to the Russell Brand show, well the podcast.
    I miss it…

  39. Napoleon Says:

    I’m sure you’ll get over it, Nick. I can send you a couple of Frankie Howerd video tapes if you need to recreate that special Russell Brand magic if you like?

  40. Nick of the T Says:

    Did anyone see the Specials on Later….. last night.
    They where quite smashing. As was Carol King, who I felt looked weirdly attractive. Franz Ferdinand were as bland an dull as ever, The Mummers, a cross between Bjork and Spiritualized, looked interesting but didn’t really deliver.
    The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, postured and well, she just postured. Nice hair……

  41. Swineshead Says:

    Oh. Sorry Nappers. I’m just a little bit sensitive today. I feel a bit oppressed by all these black actors ‘whiting up’.

    I also miss the Russell Brand show – and the Frankie Howerd comparison is one RB would probably whole-heartedly embrace…

  42. ugeine Says:

    I like that Meerkat, despite all my senses telling me I shouldn’t. simples.

  43. Swineshead Says:

    Yeah Yeah Yeahs aren’t a band, they’re just a posture. You’ve got it in a nutshell, Nick.

  44. Nick of the T Says:

    His (RB) is spontaneous though Naps, not lovingly crafted by Galton and Simpson

  45. Nick of the T Says:

    With you Ug.

    A guilty pleasure or is it just funny?

    Borat movie on Sunday….

  46. Swineshead Says:

    Ugeine doesn’t get Stewart Lee’s material.
    Ugeine likes that meerkat off that advert.

    All the pieces matter, eh Ug?

  47. Napoleon Says:

    Nick – Spontaneous claptrap, that is. Anyway, you like him, I think he’s a talentless popinjay. We’ve had this argument too many times afore.

    Swineshead – I, too, am disgusted at the idea of black actors ‘whiting up’. What next? White actors ‘yellowing up’ to play Chinamen? Brown actors ‘greening up’ to play aliens? Olive-skinned actors ‘redding up’ to play Red Indians? It’s a damned disgrace.

  48. Nick of the T Says:

    I don’t get Stewart Lee’s material either.

    *draws line*

  49. ugeine Says:

    It’s blatantly contrived, Nick, part of a trend of adverts trying to latch on to the success of internet memes. Like that Cadbury’s one. Still, makes me chuckle though.

  50. indy Says:

    nick of the t: that karen o hairdo was fantastic on their first record but then we grew bored with it.

  51. ugeine Says:

    Two people at my work went blackface. I was genuinely appalled.

  52. piqued Says:

    Whilst that fellow may have unfortunate teeth, he at least meets the criteria for his gender.

    Balding looks like a Tighthead Prop in Leatherface’s wig. She sounds like Lee Marvin gargling and I’ve heard she’s got great big nuts.

  53. ugeine Says:

    (For Comic Relief)

  54. piqued Says:

    What is there ‘not to get’ with Stewart Lee?

  55. ugeine Says:

    Isn’t this a non story? Can’t we go a week without people waiting for BBC employees to trip up?

  56. Napoleon Says:

    I don’t get why Stewart Lee’s doing sub-par, Harry Enfield-style northerner sketches. Is it the ’80s again?

  57. piqued Says:

    Yes, it is, as dicussed yesterday.

  58. piqued Says:

    (‘discussed’ of course, sorry, it’s early)

  59. Nick of the T Says:

    I get it (Stewart Lee) I just don’t find it funny.

    In other news, I saw Frankie Boyle on MTW last night. He seams so desperate to get publicity ala’ Brand. The punch line to his joke – Princess Di wanting to organise a gang-band in a minefield was not only unfunny but so obviously designed purely for Daily Mail readers to start lighting their torches.

  60. indy Says:

    piqued: “it’s early”

    it’s not.

  61. piqued Says:

    I like Boyle too

  62. indy Says:

    nick of the t: gang-band? why not a cotterie-group?

  63. Swineshead Says:

    The lack of punchlines upsets some people, Piqued. Or the non-obvious punchlines, at least.

    I don’t think it’s a non-story, Ugeine – it was definitely a bad day on Balding’s part.

    Napoleon – yes, it is the 80s again. Or a more expensive simulation of the 80s.

  64. Swineshead Says:

    Boyle doesn’t do it for me. Far too obvious and, like Jimmy Carr, clearly out to offend without a licence.

    Yes – you need a licence.

  65. Napoleon Says:

    In my case, it’s not the lack of punchlines, it’s the fact I don’t find his new show very funny. Still, as is always the case when discussing a comedy show with people who like it, this is no doubt because I don’t ‘get it’.

    Which is condescending bullshit, of course.

  66. piqued Says:

    It’s much easy to offend; cheap laughs are still laughs after all

    Of course, Lee is in a different class. I know you won’t appreciate this SH but he has a similar polemic to Bill Hicks

    *runs off*

  67. Swineshead Says:

    Probably best to put it down to a matter of taste.

  68. Nick of the T Says:

    Still, THE SPECIALS eh?

  69. Napoleon Says:

    Gah! Bill Hicks! Is he still banging on about the first Gulf War and New Kids on the Block?

  70. piqued Says:

    *runs back*

    Fair enough

    So, how is everyone today?

    Nappers, your steak saw you right?

  71. Napoleon Says:

    My steak was lovely, thanks. I had it with fresh pasta, which probably means I’m turning into a woman.

  72. Swineshead Says:

    I’m sure Lee is an admirer of Hicks, for me Lee is the better performer, has the better material and comes from the correct country.

    I had pizza yesterday. PIZZA.

  73. piqued Says:

    ‘…and comes from the correct country’

    Can’t argue with that.

    Nappers good you’re back on 3’s and 4’s. SH, pizza? What sort was it?

    I’ll wager it was a quattto stagioni, thin base…

  74. Napoleon Says:

    I like pepperoni pizza. Them ones Pizza Express do are nice. Mind you, they’re a bit dear for the size, the robbing pizza bastards.

  75. indy Says:

    piqued: i guess sh had a “hawaii” (ham/pineapple topping)

  76. indy Says:

    i baked my own pizza this very saturday. a bacon, onion, tomatoes, olives and mozzarella one. some pesto in the tomato sauce. fantastico!

  77. Swineshead Says:

    Sounds sensational that, Indy.

    All pizza guesses so far are off the mark.

  78. Napoleon Says:

    Was it an egg ‘n’ onion pizza?

  79. ugeine Says:

    Best pizza is anchovie. It’s like the Bill Hicks to other pizza’s Stuart Lee.

  80. piqued Says:

    I always find my home made ones are frankly shite, can’t get the base right

    SH, Neptune?

  81. Napoleon Says:

    Anchovies are fucking disgusting. And people who eat pizza cold are brain-damaged RACISTS.

  82. Swineshead Says:

    Ham and mushroom. We have NO WINNERS.

    Losers.

  83. piqued Says:

    I love anchovies (and cold pizza)

    *plays with stools dressed as Himmler*

    Indy, any base tips?

  84. indy Says:

    sh: calzone?

    short history lesson: in sweden we don’t have that much asian (bangladeshi, indian, pakistani) eateries but we have a lot of pizzerias. they started up in the mid-’60s when there was a migration of italians and yugoslavians to sweden (they came here to work in our factories). nowadays the italians and ex-yugoslavians can’t be bothered to work at a pizzeria or a factory any more (they moved on to middleclass professions or gun/drug smuggling) so the pizzerias (often named roma, napolitana etc) have been taken over by persons not likely to have been to either rome or naples but more probably bagdad or beirut. therefore some swedes makes a difference between italian pizza and “turkpizza”. the former is classy and thin, eaten on vacation to venice or tuscany, and the later is eaten in a localpub filled with drunks, racists and slotmachines. the swedish favourite turkpizza is the one with kebab and chips on it.

  85. Napoleon Says:

    I’m going for a John Major special edition lunch today. Egg mayonnaise sandwiches, ready salted crisps and a plain flapjack. Doesn’t get much blander than that.

  86. Napoleon Says:

    Indy – That’s not new. We’ve had kebab and chips pizza in Britain since the ’70s.

  87. piqued Says:

    He wouldn’t have had eggs though would he

  88. indy Says:

    piqued: base tips? the dough?

    well. the problem is that i’ve only found dry yeast i ingerland and that is very different from the fresh one that we have in sweden (fact: i once baked six (6) pizzas in a mate’s kitchen in hackney, serving eight persons).

    the pros are that dry yeast allows one to add some extra salt in it or, why not, before the dough is ready to be covered with toppings, mix some sundried tomatoes or basil leaves in it.

  89. Napoleon Says:

    Piqued – The best tip I can give you is to go to a pizzeria and get an Italian to make it for you. You racist PONCE!

  90. ugeine Says:

    I’ve got minging ham and cheese shitewiches, and now you’ve got me fantasising about cold anchovie pizza.

  91. piqued Says:

    Indy, do you part-cook the base before you put the topping on?

    NC, shhhh. I’m trying to listen

  92. Swineshead Says:

    Piqued – this isn’t arsehole’s corner – so stop acting like someone other than the non-chef you are. You couldn’t cook a rasher of bacon, you drunken oaf.

  93. piqued Says:

    That’s why I’m asking you stoned tit

  94. indy Says:

    piqued: not unless i have sundried tomatoes in it.

  95. Napoleon Says:

    I get former Heavyweight Champion of the World George Foreman to cook my bacon. You wouldn’t have thought he’d have had it in him considering the punishment Ali meted out to him in the 1970s.

  96. indy Says:

    piqued: maybe you’ve got an italian who can do it for you…

  97. piqued Says:

    Thanks for the tip old chap

    Oh, friends of certainly. The one in question isn’t really geared for that sort of capers and anchovy

  98. Napoleon Says:

    Can’t abide capers, neither.

  99. piqued Says:

    What about the capers crusader

  100. Mel Says:

    Piqued, the answer to your pizza conundrum is easy – use a baking stone and get it bloody hot. You can purchase a, frankly not thick enough, baking stone from cookware vendors, or you can do the cheaper and better way, which is to use a paving slab (premeasured so as to fit in your oven). Paving slabs need a good old wash before first use, but are superior, beacuse they are thicker. Do thin base, and make sure the stone has been in the oven at it’s highest setting for ages.

    You’re welcome.

  101. Nick of the T Says:

    No frozen cheese in your JM lunch Naps?
    (John Major Clarry)

  102. Nick of the T Says:

    No frozen cheese in your JM lunch Naps?
    (John Major Mel)

  103. Nick of the T Says:

    Oh, I didn’t stop it loading….

  104. Napoleon Says:

    Frozen cheese? In an egg sandwich? What sort of foreign johnnie-speak is this?

  105. piqued Says:

    Ah. That makes sense, Mel. Thanks

  106. Mel Says:

    NIck T, i *seriously* recommend easing up on the specialist vids. NOt only is your eyesight suffereing, but it is now affeacting your communication skills. WTF?

  107. ugeine Says:

    I love capers. Capers, Anchovies, Olives and cream on a pizza is something I’d happily dry hump.

  108. Mel Says:

    I’d like to go to Ug’s house for lunch please – preferably without the dry humping though.

  109. piqued Says:

    …and the cream?

  110. ugeine Says:

    I’m sure I can refrain for fifteen minutes or so Mel.

  111. Mel Says:

    *gives Piqued a stern look*

    careful, there will be no further cooking tips if you carry on down that road.

  112. piqued Says:

    No, I’m serious. Cream on a pizza?

  113. Napoleon Says:

    I ask you, what sort of arsehole used to buy Al Stewart records?

  114. Mel Says:

    why not if you mix it with the tomato sauce base, allthough i rather fancy that this pizza would have a pesto base, and cream would go just as well in that. Especially if baked using a stone, which is quicker

  115. Who Says:

    “I ask you, what sort of arsehole used to buy Al Stewart records?”

    *puts hand up*

  116. Swineshead Says:

    It’s a bit pizzacentric in here today.

    You’ve all lost a PIZZA (piece of) your minds!!!!!1

  117. Napoleon Says:

    Bloody typical. I expect nothing better from you, Who.

  118. ugeine Says:

    No, I’m serious. Cream on a pizza?

    The way the one we goto in france does it is by just putting dollops on the base. Gorgeous.

    It’s hardly fine cuisine, but I know what I like.

  119. Swineshead Says:

    Al Stewart? Out of Home and Away? Ailsa’s hubby? The stern ginger shopkeeper?

  120. indy Says:

    Mel: baking stone? doesn’t it take ages to get it hot? how thick does the baking stone need to be?

    when it comes to the tomato sauce i usually go with tomato pure and pesto. i’ve also tried with a little bit of dry chili peppers in it.

  121. Napoleon Says:

    There’s a very simple way of making pizza at home, and it’s this:

    Cut a bread roll in half, cover it in tomato ketchup, add some grated cheddar, stick it in the oven, voila! Authentic Italian pizza justa lika theya maka in Napoli*!

    *not racist

  122. Mel Says:

    tee hee, i have just remembered the phrase “ya great galaaaa”

    we get H&A over here, but they put it on at 12.30 at night. Funny that, as it is not likely to offend Dutch sensibilities.

  123. Who Says:

    *puts on If I Could Do It All Over Again, I’ll Do It All Over You*

  124. Napoleon Says:

    Swineshead – No. The Scotch bloke wot sung The Year Of The Cat.

  125. piqued Says:

    I’m not convinced by the whole ‘cream on a pizza’ thing but, HAY, HORZEZ 4 CORZES

  126. Mel Says:

    Indy – you put it in your oven to warm from cold, so it will heat as the oven heats. It takes very slightly longer to come up to temperature with the stone in it.

    Nappers, i am sure that last comment should have you at the top of some kind of Dolmio list.

  127. Mel Says:

    Or actually Nappers previous comment but one. *curses NC’s nimble fingers*

  128. Who Says:

    Does anyone know whatever happened to Toothed Varmint? I was just wondering, like.

  129. indy Says:

    Mel: this paving slab thing. joke or serious?

  130. piqued Says:

    Maybe Claire Balding’s comments have upset him

  131. Napoleon Says:

    I thought somebody said he’d been deported?

  132. Mel Says:

    Indy – deadly serious. I do not joke about cooking.

  133. piqued Says:

    *trembles*

  134. ugeine Says:

    How full of shit is the guardians music pages?

  135. Napoleon Says:

    “How full of shit is the guardians music pages?”

    Easily solved, Ugeine – don’t read the Guardian.

  136. ugeine Says:

    http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/04/07/outrage-over-konami039s-quotsix-days-fallujahquot

    People now protest games that have only just started production.

    I’m going to start protesting games that haven’t yet been invented.

    David Beckhams Pedo Island Adventure is completely offensive to me, and will inspire more shootings and buggery.

  137. ugeine Says:

    ‘Easily solved, Ugeine – don’t read the Guardian.’

    I don’t, usually (well, the paper’s alright in these plebs eyes but I stay well away from the ‘culture section’) But I’m looking for new blogs etc as I get bored on my lunch break.

  138. indy Says:

    ugeine: is there something you especially don’t recommend from the guardian’s music pages today? i like alexis petrides’ reviews…

  139. ugeine Says:

    That fawning piece of crap about the others, Indy.

  140. Napoleon Says:

    I agree with these games protests. Only last night I blew up the city of Athens whilst playing Civilisation: Revolution. That means I’ve killed millions of human beings – millions. I think it’s a disgrace that I’m allowed to do this sort of thing.

  141. ugeine Says:

    Napoleon, I wouldn’t play that Civilisation too much. It will influence you in the evil way games do and you’ll end up trying to take over Europe or something.

    It’s the last days of rome. Why, the latest mass shooting was undertaken by a guy who’d walked past a playstation 3 in the past 6 months, what chance did he have? If it weren’t for games, he would have just been another mentally disturbed person carrying an unchecked gun bought at a gun show.

  142. Napoleon Says:

    I agree, Ugeine. Even today I want to punch dog’s heads attached to springs thanks to playing Dynamite Dux in the 1980s. Ban ’em all, I say.

  143. piqued Says:

    I’m eating BBQ Beef Hula Hoops

    Not has them in a while and they’re bloody nice, though I think the novelty is short lived. I also think they’ll repeat on me

    Thoughts?

  144. indy Says:

    *plays civilization IV – beyond the sword*

  145. ugeine Says:

    I keep having similar problems, Napoleon. Only this morning, when driving to work, I accelerated really fast, mowed down six civilians before hitting a conveniently placed ramp and doing a 540 degrees spin through the air. I couldn’t work out why and until I realized I’d spent ten minutes on GTAIV last night.

  146. Swineshead Says:

    Dynamite Dux! Now that was gaming.

    I got Saints Row for a tenner (there’s a credit crunch, right?) and it’s not half bad.

    I made my character a right fatty. Do you want to see a picture?

  147. ugeine Says:

    I had that. Made a complete Italian American type. Got a bit bored after a while tho.

  148. Mel Says:

    Hang on, what is all this about blowing up cities in Civilisation? Now, i haven’t played since Civ II, but it used to be dead easy to win: just get loads of scientific discoveries; live as peacefully as possible with your neighbours, using good diplomacy; and then win the space race. Guaranteed win every time.

    This may be why I have not played it much, as it was dead easy.

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